IW 168: Interview Genny Brusegan Conte Part 4: ITALY - Love and Hate Needs Balance

What's the definition of bureaucracy?  "Well, we have a committee to define- actually, we are asking for volunteers to be on the committee and then we'll start..." AAaaarrgh!!!

Genny explains many points that she has gained in her experience as a board member in sign language interpreter organizations, as a working interpreter, a student, and friend. We discuss community, support, how to make needed changes, ethics, and so much more.

Enjoy the end of our conversation with Genny Brusegan Conte, LIS/Italian interpreter.

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IW 168: Interview Genny Brusegan Conte Part 4: ITALY-Love and Hate Needs Balance

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00:00:02 Tim

Good morning, good evening, good afternoon. Wherever you are, this is the Interpreter's Workshop podcast. I'm Tim Curry, your host. Here we talk everything sign language interpreting the ins, the outs, the ups, the downs, the sideways of interpreting. If you're a student, a new interpreter, experienced interpreter, this is the place for you. If you want to know more, go to interpretersworkshop.com.

00:00:28 Tim

Let's start talking... interpreting.

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00:00:34 Tim

And now the quotes of the day.

00:00:37 Tim

The first one, by British author C. S. Lewis.

00:00:43 Tim

“Integrity is doing the right thing. Even when no one is watching.”

00:00:50 Tim

And the second, by English writer Samuel Johnson.

00:00:55 Tim

“Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful.”

00:01:06 Tim

From these two quotes, we can see that integrity is quite important, especially to our own character, to our own mental confidence, and our attitude towards life. Using our knowledge wisely and knowing that we need to have knowledge in order to give our integrity something to be honest about.

00:01:31 Tim

Today we finished the conversation with Genny Conte from Italy. She gives us some wonderful insight and advice about the interpreting community, about acknowledging who you are, and also some advice on how we can effectively change what needs to be changed in our profession, and she looks a little at ethics in how integrity plays a part.

00:02:00 Tim

And she gives us some wonderful insight into how to overcome the challenges in the beginning stages of our journey as a sign language interpreter.

00:02:11 Tim

Which helps those of us who are experienced realize how we can do even better for ourselves and for those who come after us.

00:02:22 Tim

So, let's enjoy these last few words with Genny from Italy. Let's get started.

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00:02:34 Tim

Let's do a little bit of fun. Well, more fun I should say.

00:02:40 Tim

Let's talk some word association. I will randomly pick some words and say the first thing that comes to your mind, whether it's a phrase or word or story, and then we'll see where that takes us.

00:02:54 Tim

OK, so the first, as usual, comfort food.

00:03:00 Genny

OK, I, I don't have a specific comfort food, but I would say that sweets in general can be cakes can be biscuits, can be ice cream, but something sweet. When I need to, yeah, be a little bit satisfied about something and comforted by something better.

00:03:26 Genny

Yeah, I would pick up something sweet.

00:03:27 Tim

Sweet is good. Yes. OK.

00:03:30 Tim

And next… Italy.

00:03:31 Genny

Italy is like love and hate at the same time. [both laughing]

00:03:39 Genny

So, I love my country, of course, because I think it is amazing if compared to other countries from an artistical perspective, from the history, from the variety you have in such very small piece of territory.

00:03:56 Genny

But [both chuckle] if I… I hate it for the bureaucracy, the complicated things you need to do to get something the way you have to become crazy in order to, I mean, have your rights recognized. So that's the most annoying thing, but yes.

00:04:16 Genny

It's this double, you know, feeling. [both chuckle]

00:04:21 Tim

Ah, OK next.

00:04:25 Tim

Art.

00:04:27 Genny

Well.

00:04:28 Genny

Venice. [Tim chuckles]

00:04:31 Genny

I mean, I've grown up in this area and I've been studying at high school and at university in Venice. So even though I mean, Italy is plenty of masterpieces wherever you go, I mean, you can find something which is artistic. Venice is my emblem of beautiful art and nice art, so yeah. [Tim: hmm, yeah]

[long pause]

00:05:02 Tim

OK, I'll stop dreaming. All right, next.

00:05:07 Tim

Community.

00:05:09 Genny

If I think about community, the first community I'm thinking about is the interpreting community. Not only the Deaf but interpreting community in general because it has been so supportive since my beginning. So, I remember those first two years before entering the association.

00:05:28 Genny

And I was like, quite feeling, you know, alone and lost. I didn't know exactly what to do. And when I joined the association, it was kind of having, you know, a net, a supporting net that if I was going to fall somewhere, somebody was going to put me back on place or help me or supporting. So that was really so- When I think about Community, I think about the network I have inside interpreting field.

00:06:02 Tim

Good.

00:06:03 Tim

OK, next.

00:06:05 Tim

Character.

00:06:07 Genny

Character. Hmm.

00:06:13 Genny

People say I'm not saying that, that I am a very modest person because sometimes I know I have skills, but I don't like to show off.

00:06:25 Genny

So, I've done lots of things in my career or I've done many things which are interesting or good or have been good, but I've always kept them. I mean, I've always been in the background, let's say I didn't want to say, yeah, it was me doing that or hey, I did this, or I did that. So…

00:06:48 Genny

That's a positive thing from one side but also negative from the other side because I know that sometimes maybe it's needed to say what you “are” not to emphasize it too much, but to show what your skills are [Tim: Yeah] or what you did.

00:07:07 Genny

So that's why I accepted this [interview]. [Tim laughs]

00:07:11 Tim

No, that's good.

00:07:13 Tim

I think it, it builds our character. Our confidence. [Genny: Yeah. Yeah.] It's good to acknowledge that at times so that we have the confidence to do even more. [Genny: hmm] OK next.

00:07:26 Tim

Attitude.

00:07:28 Genny

Attitude. OK, friendly.

00:07:33 Genny

I always try to be friendly and open minded with the new people I meet.

00:07:40 Genny

Because I think that I can learn from everyone I it happens that comes to my tasks that I meet on my way.

00:07:52 Genny

So, I try to be kind and friendly to everyone, everyone. Then of course you can't be, I mean, nice to everyone but well, mainly let's say I try to be kind. [Tim: hmm] Kindness and friendliness, yeah.

00:08:07 Tim

OK, next interpreting.

00:08:11 Genny

The best satisfying job. [both laugh] I mean, even though recently I'm not interpreting that much.

00:08:22 Genny

It's, I think the satisfaction I have once an assignment is finished where I see that both parties are like fine - as if I wasn't there. And it means that communication went really good. It really gives me that boost of confidence that no, no other job can give. I think. [laughter] no other job.

00:08:54 Tim

I agree. Yeah. OK next.

00:08:58 Tim

Pet peeve.

00:09:00 Genny

People’s incoherence.

00:09:04 Genny

This is something which annoys me very much, so when, uh, it happens that you meet people.

00:09:14 Genny

Talking about them, not only the interpreting fields, but in general. They state something, but then they completely behave something else. This is something which annoys me, [both slightly chuckling] incoherence.

00:09:26 Genny

Because, I mean, I think that this impacts trustfulness on the person.

00:09:35 Genny

So, if you, if you state something, you should somehow try to stick to what you say. If you're not, I mean sticking to it then, hmm, you know, it can be a problem. [Tim: yeah]

00:09:51 Tim

And you're right, not just in the profession, but.

00:09:54 Genny

In general, in general.

00:09:56 Tim

Trust is, is valuable for, for everything.

00:09:59 Genny

Exactly.

00:10:01 Tim

Yeah. OK, next.

00:10:04 Tim

Important.

00:10:06 Genny

Family. [slightly chuckles]

00:10:08 Genny

Family is a top important. I mean, it's the founding basis which supported me in all my, all my life, and all my choices so…

00:10:25 Genny

I think it's the most important thing. My, my parents, let's say, how they could support me in whatever decision I took in my life.

00:10:36 Tim

So that makes me ask since sign language interpreting wasn't well known when you were starting, you came back from this traveling to decide to become, uh, linguistics and sign language and what was your family thinking then? [laughing]

00:10:57 Genny

Yeah, I you know, I remember exactly the day I told that to my mom. And I remember I came into the room, and I said, “Mom. Listen, I saw this course of studies at university. It is about linguistics. Actually, I don't know really what it is about, [Tim laughing] but there is sign language and it seems interesting to me.”

00:11:18 Genny

And she said, “OK. So, if you think it will be useful for your future, then go on.” And it was really, I mean, nice. I mean, I've al- also kept working a little bit while I was studying to support my studies, of course. But I mean it was really nice of her.

00:11:42 Genny

Because I, when I finished high school, I said, “Well, me, I'm off with studying. I don't want to study anymore. I'm really. I'm over.”

00:11:51 Genny

I was completely stressed with the final exam we had and so on, and I said I will never ever go to university. [Tim laughing] But there was a situation which made me change my mind and, and then when I saw this course, I said, “Well, maybe I can try” because my experience as a student at high school or in the previous years was like very hard, not hard. I mean, I was a good student but it, it was - I didn't like so much to, to study even though I had good results.

00:12:29 Genny

But at university it was completely different. So, when I enrolled, I started and I said, “OK, let's try how it will go”, and then it went perfectly. So, I really loved going to university because the way you have to study there is totally different from the way you study at high school. And, and so she also saw that I was satisfied and I had so good results that I didn't even expect it.

00:12:56 Genny

And. And so she was supportive. And I liked it very much.

00:13:02 Genny

Yeah, I thank, I, I've always been thankful for their, their support. [Tim: yeah]

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00:13:09 Tim

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00:13:27 Tim

OK, let's go for the last ONE maybe.

00:13:32 Tim

Language.

00:13:34 Genny

OK, Language - here I have a list. [both laughing] I've always been involved into language learning because since as I was a child…

00:13:50 Genny

My mom as well sent me to experimental courses, let's say because…

00:13:58 Genny

English, for example, was not taught at kindergarten, was not taught at elementary school. I started at the last year of elementary school, the first, very first English course, and it was extra classes, not inside the elementary school. [Tim: yeah] And that was the starting. [both laughing still] And then I added French. I added German. I added a little bit of Spanish I added…

00:14:24 Genny

Sign language, ASL a little bit, now IS [International Sign]. So, it's like kind of discovering new worlds all the time and they I'm really amazed every time I'm learning or improving the level I have in certain languages right now.

00:14:46 Genny

Because it's true, whenever you learn language, you, you learn a new way, a new culture and new perspective – how to see the world and how to interact with people. It's not only a way to communicate, but it's also a way which expand your vision, let's say. [Tim: Mm-hmm, yeah] And so when you say language is like a full world of perspectives, new perspectives.

00:15:12 Tim

Hmm.

00:15:13 Tim

So, along the way in your journey as a sign language interpreter, what mistakes did you make in your journey that really helped you develop as an interpreter?

00:15:27 Genny

Hmm.

00:15:29 Genny

That's a hard question. So, as I said before, uh, I've always been very aware of every kind of assignment I took along the years. But I think that hard, very, very hard mistakes…

00:15:46 Genny

…not really “hard mistakes” on the surfaces, but maybe on the trusting issue that we talked about before, so maybe I trusted people I didn't have to trust that much or I thought that maybe could be more honest and weren't so that impacted quite a lot in some moments of my professional career.

00:16:14 Genny

And then being so hard on myself, I've been always very judging on my performances. So not only maybe the others, but also my performances. So sometimes I think that I didn't have to be so hard to, to myself. I should have been a little bit more gentle.

00:16:34 Genny

Because this was “inproductive” in some situations because I was less confident and so the result was not that positive as it could be, but that was something inside myself. How I perceived myself.

00:16:52 Genny

Then of course I mean experience and the, the network, the support network helped me on understanding what kind of feedback I needed to take and what kind of feedback I could leave. [Tim: Mm-hmm]

00:17:06 Genny

And say, “Well, if it comes from people who have the skills to say something on that issue, it's OK. If they don't have the skills to say that it's just like a general comment for whatever reason. Then just take it off.” But you know, when you are at the beginning, you're not really aware who's who and where the issues come from, so you just take everything.

00:17:33 Genny

And building self-confidence is quite hard. Then after sometimes you realize and so you are also stronger to face problems, let’s say.

00:17:48 Tim

Yeah. We sometimes forget that we don't know what we can trust in what we see or who we know without experience. I think that's key in the development in, in any profession. But I think especially for a service profession like sign language interpreting.

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00:18:06 Tim

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00:18:23 Tim

When you became a board member of the national organization or of efsli, what surprised you that you didn't expect before you became a board member?

00:18:37 Genny

Patience. I mean, I'm a patient person, but when you take a role inside the board, whatever level it is, you know that you are willing to do many things you would like to change. You would like to support people you would like to be like immediately doing something OK.

00:19:01 Genny

But then you realize that to have consent from all the people, it's really hard. I mean, not it's something that you have to do that you must have, because whatever you put a topic into the discussion, and you have Members talking about it…

00:19:21 Genny

Sometimes it takes a long time to achieve uh, uh, an agreement among everyone. And from that agreement to put it in on practice, for example, whatever kind of decision, it takes also some time, because maybe you have some bureaucracy steps that needs to be taken.

00:19:44 Genny

And again, it's not something that can be done immediately, something which takes time, so that's why you need to be really patient. So, you just have to take into account that in order to achieve a certain goal, you need to organize and program much in advance what will be the steps to get there and how much time it will get to get there. [Tim: Mm-hmm]

00:20:15 Genny

And to also help members why that goal is important and why we should reach that goal. So, this takes a lot of diplomacy.

00:20:32 Genny

Lot of diplomacy to make people discuss, gather their opinions, try to, I mean, fix things in order to comply with their suggestions, and so on. And then put it into practice. So sometimes people also complain because it takes long time to put into practice etc., etc.

00:21:00 Genny

And I always say please come do it yourself and then you realize why there are these timing.

00:21:03 Genny

Because when I was a board member in efsli especially, we had a really messy situation. We had financial problems. We had internal problems, so we had to reorganize everything from scratch. So, it's not easy when you have to reset up something from scratch and you don't have, for example, funds from the European, umm, Union.

00:21:28 Genny

So, it's everything on a voluntary basis. You have to give your time and at the same time, you have to work to have your own income. So, you, you need to also be respectful to the other members, to the other personal work, work – balance timing. [Tim: hmm]

00:21:52 Genny

So, again, finding a moment when you have to meet so regularly, etcetera, etcetera. Of course you need a really important commitment in that. So, if you take that and I'll, I've always said also when I was president in efsli, when we were like asking members, “Please, you know, elections will be soon. So come on. So, candidate.”

00:22:17 Genny

And I always told them I've I was not born as a president. I was not born as a board member. I mean, I've learned as well to be here. [Tim: Mm-hmm] I mean, I, I am an interpreter, as you are. So, I've had some experience at national level, of course, which has been hugely useful to be done at European level. [Tim: Mm-hmm]

00:22:38 Genny

But nevertheless, you need to be very committed to their role. You know that you have to be patient. You have to be respectful of all the opinions to gather them, to try to find a solution which I mean complies with all the necessities and at the same time put into practice that decision. And, as I said, you know, to be patient, to do that. So, you don't have to expect things to change rapidly because they won't. It's not something that…

00:23:11 Genny

You have like really step by step. You change but you need to be persistent in that, so you don't have to lose your, umm, goal. You lose your perspective or say, “OK, I won't do anything anymore because I don't see the, the end of the tunnel.” No, you can't see the end of the tunnel, but you need to, I mean, keep on advocate and keep on doing things. Being aware of the fact that it will take maybe more time than you expected.

00:23:46 Tim

Yeah. Patience.

00:23:47 Genny

Patience.

00:23:48 Tim

Yeah, I should say this. I don't think you can, but I would say that members of any organization should be patient as well to realize that it takes so much time to get anything done, even though we all know it needs to be done now.

00:24:05 Tim

You still have to have the patience to listen to all the opinions, the perspectives, and then there's the red tape. And then there's the legality and then you have to follow the Constitution, even though it's wrong or it's outdated, you still have to follow it. And that just all takes time.

00:24:20 Tim

And it's really hard to wrap your head around it when you know, well if it was just me, I would be able to do it right now. [both laugh]

00:24:31 Genny

But it's not only you, exactly. So also, when I think about national level, we implemented many things. For example, the CPD training system, we implemented it in several years and in several steps and it was not something, I mean we proposed something we tried. We experimented. We gathered the feedback from the members. 

00:25:00 Genny

And then we set another type of experiment until we got a certain type which was more or less OK for everyone. And it took six or seven years. [Tim: hmm] It was not something like immediate and the same. I think it's at whatever kind of level or association. Of course, the more you are and the more different cultures you have the harder it is. [Tim: hmm]

00:25:23 Genny

But, if I have to compare a little bit what we did at national level, what we did at international level, European level, what I learned as well at European level is to respect a little, a little bit more the work life balance. So, I learned from the colleagues that if it is time to stop, it is time to stop. So, the again…

00:25:50 Genny

So, you can't work all the time even though you know that you have to reach that goal. There are some moments in which you need to rest, and that's OK. It's not something that you need to feel guilty about. While when I was at national level, it was something no one need to do, because otherwise the members will complain, etcetera, etcetera. So, we were working amazingly, a lot.

00:26:16 Genny

We've done lots of things, but at the same time we never rested. [Tim: Mm-hmm] So, you know, it's something that you need to be aware if you're getting some kind of role because it's on a voluntary basis again.

00:26:32 Genny

So, it's not something you are there you should be aware that you are there for a reason that you have to comply and do something because otherwise there's no point for you to be elected and be on a board. 

00:26:43 Genny

But at the same time being aware that it will take time that you need to have patience and that you, you have to respect yourself and your timing as a person. [Tim: Yeah]

00:26:51 Genny

So, try to balance everything, let’s say. [both laughing]

00:26:56 Tim

Yeah.

00:26:58 Genny

Now there are, I know that there are many information and that the situation, especially regarding the professional, profession is quite complicated. We are on the way of striving to professionalize the profession and keep standards higher, so trying to focus on higher standards.

00:27:23 Genny

We are on the way, but as I said, you need to, to have patience. So, if I think when I started as a board member in - at the national level in 2016 or when I started even before in 2008 and now, things have changed.

00:27:41 Genny

You need time and you need to… I think that sometimes if I look at my past back in my past, I say, “OOF. Actually, we did a lot. We did a lot from actually almost nothing.” [Tim: Yeah] It's just that they seem still very small achievements.

00:28:03 Genny

But if you consider, how it went and what we did to get there. So, talking to the institutions, doing, talking with the members, trying to involve them, etcetera, etc.

00:28:20 Genny

If you look back, I can say, “Well, I, I did my little piece of work to make something change because I I always think that you can't always complain about things if you have to do. I mean, you can't always complain. You go there and you try to do what you think is good for the association, what is good for the profession, at least you try.

00:28:46 Genny

And then when you try, you realize that sometimes it's not really easy to change things, or that again, it takes time. But at least you try. So, I really respect all those people who are in the at the moment in board positions or whatever, because I know the effort which you have behind it and, and that, I mean, after maybe years you can see results of what of an idea you had.

00:29:22 Genny

Because, we, we always have ideas which are really futuristic sometimes, but you need to start from something, otherwise you'll never get there. So that's what we try to do, that we are still, I mean trying to do so step by step, getting closer [chuckling] to the…

00:29:42 Genny

I mean, that's ideally situation that we would like to have in here as well.

00:29:48 Tim

Yeah.

00:29:50 Genny

So yeah, the fact that you know when another, another thing that maybe you can add to the international network piece is that when I started attending those events. So, at the beginning it was, “Wow in your country works like that? It’s interesting.”

00:30:09 Genny

And when you come back home, it's like ah, complete frustration, complete frustration and it happened for many years. I can assure you that whenever I went there it was like, “Wow is it so interesting? Yeah, I glad I can use it. I can do this. I can do that. I can tell it to my colleagues.”

00:30:34 Genny

And then I come back home it's like, ah, this situation is [Tim chuckling] very far. How can we do something? What can we do to improve that? And then you start thinking about maybe not that solution because it's already too far, [both chuckling] but something which can lead to that point, that objective and that helped to to, I mean not avoid, but at least, minimize a little bit the frustration. [both laughing]

00:31:11 Genny

Because I mean, yeah, try to reduce it a little bit because you know, OK, I'm here. I have this position. I have the power to do something now. So, what can we do with the rest of the boards? Try to focus on that.

00:31:18 Genny

So that's what we tried to do. [Tim: yeah]

00:31:22 Tim

Is there something else that you were thinking you wanted to add or say?

00:31:28 Genny

I was thinking about some notes I took on your, on your questions, but I think that, yeah, there was one question which was quite triggering is like, how would you describe interpreting ethics? [Tim: OK]

00:31:45 Genny

And that one for me is like integrity.

00:31:48 Genny

I really think integrity of the interpreter is really important and this links to the fact of being coherent in what you say and what you are and what you do to set up trust on the different people you are dealing with both colleagues, but also the Deaf community. So, I think this is one aspect which is really related to the ethics of the interpreter profession. [Tim: yeah]

00:32:25 Tim

Well, thank you very much, Genny. This has been eye opening.

00:32:30 Tim

Giving us some smiles and realizing that we have things in common. We have things to be thankful for.

00:32:38 Tim

And things to look forward to in our own futures. Thank you for sharing your time and your life and your experience.

00:32:48 Tim

And hopefully someday some sweets as well.

00:32:51 Genny

Thank you, Tim, for having me and for giving me this opportunity to share and I really hope that also my experience or my story will be helpful to someone else, but also to look at Italy or to the professionals in here on a different perspective.

00:33:12 Genny

So, I hope it helps.

00:33:15 Tim

Ohh, it definitely does. So thanks again Genny and we will see you hopefully soon.

00:33:30 Genny

Hope so. 

00:33:31 Tim

Bye. Bye.

00:33:32 Genny

Thank you. Bye.

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00:33:31 Tim

What a wonderful conversation that we've had with Genny, some beautiful experience that we can learn from and apply to our own situations. I will try to pick now some important points that made me think.

00:33:44 Tim

When she talked about interpreting community, she spoke to something that resonates with me, and it was about acknowledging the support that we had as beginning interpreters. That goes to every day when we work with other interpreters, other colleagues from around the world, we get that support that acknowledgement that what we're doing is good and how we can improve helps us improve the situation for everyone.

00:34:24 Tim

But acknowledging and thanking those who have supported us, looking into our past and knowing without them, I wouldn't be who I am today. Just like Genny is for us now. When she mentioned you need to acknowledge yourself. Acknowledge that you have done some wonderful things.

00:34:34 Tim

Look at those positive things, those strengths that we always talk about. Don't always sit behind the curtain out of the scene. Remember, inside that you have done a lot that we have done a lot. What we do is good.

00:34:49 Tim

And that will help you build your confidence. Yes, we make mistakes. Yes. We don't always get the interpretation perfect, but who does? Strive for confidence over perfection.

00:35:03 Tim

And patience. Patience is something we all need to remember to have. It's very hard when we see the same circle of critique, of discrimination, barriers, access denied here and there and everywhere.

00:35:33 Tim

And sometimes we say, “Well, that's really not possible.” Well, Genny has told us what is possible. What can you do now which will set you up to do the next thing and the next thing. In time things will change, especially when it's guided by people who are patient, confident and have integrity.

00:35:43 Tim

Because integrity guides our own ethics in our work, in our profession and in our lives.

00:35:49 Tim

And that's where we need to be honest with ourselves, especially those who are new to sign language interpreting. They need to have the trust in themselves to be able to trust who they follow as their guides, as their mentors, as their advisors.

00:36:09 Tim

Why should we trust someone? By looking at their actions, looking at their integrity. Is it shown? Do they have experience in this field that we are trying to improve on? Are they skilled enough and have they worked through the challenges to develop those skills so that they can give us advice?

00:36:29 Tim

Trust, integrity, support and patience. Wonderful points. Thank you, Genny. Again. Sometimes we have to balance the, the love, hate relationship that we have with our profession and with each other. And we can do that from those qualities that she already told us about.

00:36:49 Tim

So, until next week, keep calm. Keep balancing your interpreting. I'll see you next week. Take care now.

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